{"id":1215,"date":"2010-10-13T00:06:35","date_gmt":"2010-10-13T07:06:35","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/averagejoecyclist.com\/?p=1215"},"modified":"2017-06-26T21:30:24","modified_gmt":"2017-06-27T04:30:24","slug":"problems-with-the-central-valley-greenway","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/averagejoecyclist.com\/problems-with-the-central-valley-greenway\/","title":{"rendered":"If a Bike Route is \u201ctemporary\u201d for more than a year, is it actually \u201cpermanent\u201d? Problems with the Central Valley Greenway"},"content":{"rendered":"<h5>Problems with the Central Valley Greenway in Metro Vancouver<\/h5>\n<dl id=\"attachment_1217\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"width: 300px;\">\n<dt class=\"wp-caption-dt\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/s\/?_encoding=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;field-keywords=bike%20lights&amp;linkCode=ur2&amp;tag=avejoecyc0e-20&amp;url=search-alias%3Daps&amp;linkId=X5K75655ZLSFJSUV\"><img decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"1217\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/averagejoecyclist.com\/problems-with-the-central-valley-greenway\/post-temporary\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-Temporary.jpg?fit=640%2C427&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"640,427\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;16&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;Canon EOS DIGITAL REBEL XS&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;1286726609&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;50&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;400&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0.005&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"So-called temporary part of the Central Valley Greenway in Burnaby, BC\" data-image-description=\"&lt;p&gt;So-called temporary part of the Central Valley Greenway in Burnaby, BC&lt;\/p&gt;\n\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-Temporary.jpg?fit=300%2C200&amp;ssl=1\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-Temporary.jpg?fit=640%2C427&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"   wp-image-1217 size-medium lazyload\" title=\"So-called temporary part of the Central Valley Greenway in Burnaby, BC\" src=\"data:image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP\/\/\/yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7\" data-src=\"https:\/\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-Temporary-300x200.jpg\" alt=\"Central Valley Greenway\" width=\"300\" height=\"200\" \/><noscript><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"1217\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/averagejoecyclist.com\/problems-with-the-central-valley-greenway\/post-temporary\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-Temporary.jpg?fit=640%2C427&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"640,427\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;16&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;Canon EOS DIGITAL REBEL XS&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;1286726609&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;50&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;400&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0.005&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"So-called temporary part of the Central Valley Greenway in Burnaby, BC\" data-image-description=\"&lt;p&gt;So-called temporary part of the Central Valley Greenway in Burnaby, BC&lt;\/p&gt;\n\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-Temporary.jpg?fit=300%2C200&amp;ssl=1\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-Temporary.jpg?fit=640%2C427&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"   wp-image-1217 size-medium lazyload\" title=\"So-called temporary part of the Central Valley Greenway in Burnaby, BC\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-Temporary.jpg?resize=300%2C200&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"Central Valley Greenway\" width=\"300\" height=\"200\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-Temporary.jpg?resize=300%2C200&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-Temporary.jpg?w=640&amp;ssl=1 640w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/noscript><\/a><\/dt>\n<dd class=\"wp-caption-dd\">2014 Update &#8211; there is NOTHING temporary about this horrible part of the CVG &#8211; it&#8217;s now lasted longer than many people&#8217;s marriages &#8230;<\/dd>\n<\/dl>\n<p><em>(Note: this is Part 2 of a 2 part series on the Central Valley Greenway. Here is <a href=\"https:\/\/averagejoecyclist.com\/problems-with-the-central-valley-greenway\/\" target=\"_blank\">Part 1<\/a>. <\/em><em>Also, here is a most excellent <a href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=0BXThZRjLC8\" target=\"_blank\">video of the\u00a0entire CVG route<\/a>, in fast-motion, from Alexwarrior.<\/em><em>)<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/averagejoecyclist.com\/central-valley-greenway-cvg-guide\/\" target=\"_blank\">Click here for an updated, complete guide to the Central Valley Greenway\u00a0\u2013 plus Video<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>The Central Valley Greenway runs from the New Westminster Quay, via Burnaby, to Science World in Vancouver \u2013 a total distance of 24 km. It is marvelously ambitious; hinting at a wonderful future when commuting by bicycle could be easy and safe for a wide range of cyclists \u2013 from kids to seniors, and everyone in between. Unfortunately, it still has some major problems.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/averagejoecyclist.com\/central-valley-greenway-semis\/\" target=\"_blank\">Part 1<\/a> of this series dealt with the New West to Burnaby section, the first 15 km. <strong>This<\/strong> post is about\u00a0the part from Burnaby to Science World in Vancouver.<\/p>\n<p>This video shows the entire CVG from Science World in Vancouver to the New Westminster Quay, speeded up 3 times.<\/p>\n<p><iframe class=\"lazyload\" title=\"Central Valley Greenway in Metro Vancouver speeded up\" width=\"500\" height=\"375\" data-src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/Pve2DbRF1DM?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>I decided to test this stretch with two of my kids, aged almost-10 and 15. This was based on the fact that I have learned that <a href=\"https:\/\/averagejoecyclist.com\/?p=968\" target=\"_blank\">assessing bike routes<\/a> must be done\u00a0from the point of view of kids and\/or seniors, to see if\u00a0they really provide safe cycling for everyone. It was an interesting experience, to say the least.<\/p>\n<p>Once over the pedestrian bridge that spans the truck route\/greenway known as Winston Street, the cyclist is in much safer terrain. It\u2019s not paved, which is a problem for some cyclists with road bikes. However, it\u2019s quiet and safe \u2013 hard to believe you\u2019re just a few feet away from a railway line and Lougheed Highway. The photos below show\u00a0two parallel\u00a0stretches of territory, just west of Winston Street.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/s\/?_encoding=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;field-keywords=bike%20lights&amp;linkCode=ur2&amp;tag=avejoecyc0e-20&amp;url=search-alias%3Daps&amp;linkId=X5K75655ZLSFJSUV\"><img decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"1219\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/averagejoecyclist.com\/problems-with-the-central-valley-greenway\/post-cvg-2\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-CVG-2.jpg?fit=448%2C336&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"448,336\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;2.8&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;Canon PowerShot SD1000&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;1285866479&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;5.8&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;125&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0.002&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Lougheed Highway Bike Lane in Burnaby\" data-image-description=\"&lt;p&gt;Lougheed Highway Bike Lane in Burnaby&lt;\/p&gt;\n\" data-image-caption=\"&lt;p&gt;Lougheed Highway has a broad cycle path&lt;\/p&gt;\n\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-CVG-2.jpg?fit=300%2C224&amp;ssl=1\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-CVG-2.jpg?fit=448%2C336&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-1219 size-medium lazyload\" title=\"Lougheed Highway Bike Lane in Burnaby\" src=\"data:image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP\/\/\/yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7\" data-src=\"https:\/\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-CVG-2-300x224.jpg\" alt=\"Central Valley Greenway\" width=\"300\" height=\"224\" \/><noscript><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"1219\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/averagejoecyclist.com\/problems-with-the-central-valley-greenway\/post-cvg-2\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-CVG-2.jpg?fit=448%2C336&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"448,336\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;2.8&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;Canon PowerShot SD1000&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;1285866479&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;5.8&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;125&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0.002&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Lougheed Highway Bike Lane in Burnaby\" data-image-description=\"&lt;p&gt;Lougheed Highway Bike Lane in Burnaby&lt;\/p&gt;\n\" data-image-caption=\"&lt;p&gt;Lougheed Highway has a broad cycle path&lt;\/p&gt;\n\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-CVG-2.jpg?fit=300%2C224&amp;ssl=1\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-CVG-2.jpg?fit=448%2C336&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-1219 size-medium lazyload\" title=\"Lougheed Highway Bike Lane in Burnaby\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-CVG-2.jpg?resize=300%2C224&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"Central Valley Greenway\" width=\"300\" height=\"224\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-CVG-2.jpg?resize=300%2C224&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-CVG-2.jpg?w=448&amp;ssl=1 448w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/noscript><\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/s\/?_encoding=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;field-keywords=bike%20lights&amp;linkCode=ur2&amp;tag=avejoecyc0e-20&amp;url=search-alias%3Daps&amp;linkId=X5K75655ZLSFJSUV\"><img decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"1220\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/averagejoecyclist.com\/problems-with-the-central-valley-greenway\/post-cvg-2-b\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-CVG-2-b.jpg?fit=448%2C336&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"448,336\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;4.9&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;Canon PowerShot SD1000&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;1285866124&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;17.4&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;400&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0.003125&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Central Valley Greenway in Burnaby\" data-image-description=\"&lt;p&gt;Central Valley Greenway in Burnaby&lt;\/p&gt;\n\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-CVG-2-b.jpg?fit=300%2C224&amp;ssl=1\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-CVG-2-b.jpg?fit=448%2C336&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-1220 size-medium lazyload\" title=\"Central Valley Greenway in Burnaby\" src=\"data:image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP\/\/\/yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7\" data-src=\"https:\/\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-CVG-2-b-300x224.jpg\" alt=\"Central Valley Greenway\" width=\"300\" height=\"224\" \/><noscript><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"1220\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/averagejoecyclist.com\/problems-with-the-central-valley-greenway\/post-cvg-2-b\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-CVG-2-b.jpg?fit=448%2C336&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"448,336\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;4.9&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;Canon PowerShot SD1000&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;1285866124&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;17.4&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;400&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0.003125&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Central Valley Greenway in Burnaby\" data-image-description=\"&lt;p&gt;Central Valley Greenway in Burnaby&lt;\/p&gt;\n\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-CVG-2-b.jpg?fit=300%2C224&amp;ssl=1\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-CVG-2-b.jpg?fit=448%2C336&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-1220 size-medium lazyload\" title=\"Central Valley Greenway in Burnaby\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-CVG-2-b.jpg?resize=300%2C224&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"Central Valley Greenway\" width=\"300\" height=\"224\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-CVG-2-b.jpg?resize=300%2C224&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-CVG-2-b.jpg?w=448&amp;ssl=1 448w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/noscript><\/a><\/p>\n<p>One of these is Lougheed Highway, with its bike lane. The other is of course a green part of the Central Valley Greenway. No prizes for guessing which stretch would qualify as safe cycling for everyone! And note that the Greenway even has lamp posts.\u00a0<strong>Top Marks for the CVG here!<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Unfortunately, this is short-lived. Soon the route pops you out onto Douglas Street (yet another truck route), where you need to travel about half a block on a narrow sidewalk, to reach a pedestrian crossing that gets you to Still Creek Avenue. We pushed our bikes along this bit. Not the end of the world, but not great either \u2013 in terms of safe cycling for all, this doesn\u2019t quite cut it.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_1221\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1221\" style=\"width: 300px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/s\/?_encoding=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;field-keywords=bike%20lights&amp;linkCode=ur2&amp;tag=avejoecyc0e-20&amp;url=search-alias%3Daps&amp;linkId=X5K75655ZLSFJSUV\"><img decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"1221\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/averagejoecyclist.com\/problems-with-the-central-valley-greenway\/post-still-creek\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-Still-Creek.jpg?fit=448%2C336&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"448,336\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;8&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;Canon PowerShot SD1000&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;1286715252&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;5.8&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;80&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0.004&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Still Creek Avenue on the Central Valley Greenway\" data-image-description=\"&lt;p&gt;Still Creek Avenue on the Central Valley Greenway&lt;\/p&gt;\n\" data-image-caption=\"&lt;p&gt;Pushing our bikes along Douglas Street \u2013 not too busy on a Sunday, but still not a street suitable for children. Providing a separated lane could \u201cpatch\u201d this short bit.&lt;\/p&gt;\n\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-Still-Creek.jpg?fit=300%2C224&amp;ssl=1\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-Still-Creek.jpg?fit=448%2C336&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"wp-image-1221 size-medium lazyload\" title=\"Still Creek Avenue on the Central Valley Greenway\" src=\"data:image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP\/\/\/yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7\" data-src=\"https:\/\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-Still-Creek-300x224.jpg\" alt=\"Central Valley Greenway\" width=\"300\" height=\"224\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-1221\" class=\"wp-caption-text\"><noscript><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"1221\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/averagejoecyclist.com\/problems-with-the-central-valley-greenway\/post-still-creek\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-Still-Creek.jpg?fit=448%2C336&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"448,336\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;8&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;Canon PowerShot SD1000&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;1286715252&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;5.8&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;80&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0.004&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Still Creek Avenue on the Central Valley Greenway\" data-image-description=\"&lt;p&gt;Still Creek Avenue on the Central Valley Greenway&lt;\/p&gt;\n\" data-image-caption=\"&lt;p&gt;Pushing our bikes along Douglas Street \u2013 not too busy on a Sunday, but still not a street suitable for children. Providing a separated lane could \u201cpatch\u201d this short bit.&lt;\/p&gt;\n\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-Still-Creek.jpg?fit=300%2C224&amp;ssl=1\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-Still-Creek.jpg?fit=448%2C336&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"wp-image-1221 size-medium lazyload\" title=\"Still Creek Avenue on the Central Valley Greenway\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-Still-Creek.jpg?resize=300%2C224&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"Central Valley Greenway\" width=\"300\" height=\"224\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-Still-Creek.jpg?resize=300%2C224&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-Still-Creek.jpg?w=448&amp;ssl=1 448w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/noscript><\/a> Pushing our bikes along Douglas Street \u2013 not too busy on a Sunday, but still not a street suitable for children. Providing a separated lane could \u201cpatch\u201d this short bit.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Even as an adult, I really hate the Still Creek bit. I would not have taken my kids on it if it wasn\u2019t a Sunday. Every morning the so-called bike lane is clogged with idling semi\u2019s. I have never seen any law enforcers\u00a0trying to keep this lane clear for cyclists (nor enforcing the no-idling bylaw).<\/p>\n<p>Worse, there are several spots where there is perpendicular parking. Many of the cars are parked facing outwards \u2013 but many are not. <strong>There are no signs to tell motorists to do so, even though cars reversing into a bike lane\u00a0are insanely dangerous for cyclists.<\/strong> I was once almost hit by a young guy,\u00a0reversing rapidly out with no reverse lights!<\/p>\n<p>Then it gets worse. If you\u2019ve survived the semi\u2019s, the\u00a0fumes,\u00a0and the reversing cars, just past the Burnaby Recycling Depot you get to a part that has been signposted as \u201cTemporary\u201d since the Greenway opened last June.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_1222\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1222\" style=\"width: 300px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/s\/?_encoding=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;field-keywords=bike%20lights&amp;linkCode=ur2&amp;tag=avejoecyc0e-20&amp;url=search-alias%3Daps&amp;linkId=X5K75655ZLSFJSUV\"><img decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"1222\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/averagejoecyclist.com\/problems-with-the-central-valley-greenway\/post-chaos-on-cvg\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-chaos-on-CVG.jpg?fit=448%2C226&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"448,226\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;4.5&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;Canon PowerShot SD1000&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;1286715663&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;14.421&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;125&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0.001&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Construction zone on the Central Valley Greenway\" data-image-description=\"&lt;p&gt;Construction zone on the Central Valley Greenway&lt;\/p&gt;\n\" data-image-caption=\"&lt;p&gt;You know you\u2019re in trouble when a &#8220;Greenway&#8221; looks like this!&lt;\/p&gt;\n\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-chaos-on-CVG.jpg?fit=300%2C151&amp;ssl=1\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-chaos-on-CVG.jpg?fit=448%2C226&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"wp-image-1222 size-medium lazyload\" title=\"Construction zone on the Central Valley Greenway\" src=\"data:image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP\/\/\/yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7\" data-src=\"https:\/\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-chaos-on-CVG-300x151.jpg\" alt=\"Central Valley Greenway\" width=\"300\" height=\"151\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-1222\" class=\"wp-caption-text\"><noscript><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"1222\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/averagejoecyclist.com\/problems-with-the-central-valley-greenway\/post-chaos-on-cvg\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-chaos-on-CVG.jpg?fit=448%2C226&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"448,226\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;4.5&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;Canon PowerShot SD1000&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;1286715663&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;14.421&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;125&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0.001&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Construction zone on the Central Valley Greenway\" data-image-description=\"&lt;p&gt;Construction zone on the Central Valley Greenway&lt;\/p&gt;\n\" data-image-caption=\"&lt;p&gt;You know you\u2019re in trouble when a &#8220;Greenway&#8221; looks like this!&lt;\/p&gt;\n\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-chaos-on-CVG.jpg?fit=300%2C151&amp;ssl=1\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-chaos-on-CVG.jpg?fit=448%2C226&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"wp-image-1222 size-medium lazyload\" title=\"Construction zone on the Central Valley Greenway\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-chaos-on-CVG.jpg?resize=300%2C151&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"Central Valley Greenway\" width=\"300\" height=\"151\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-chaos-on-CVG.jpg?resize=300%2C151&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-chaos-on-CVG.jpg?w=448&amp;ssl=1 448w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/noscript><\/a> You know you\u2019re in trouble when a &#8220;Greenway&#8221; looks like it could be a set for the next Terminator movie!<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Since June 2009, all that has happened in this section is that the \u201ctemporary\u201d route has been shuffled around twice. In the meantime, large numbers of workers and heavy machines have re-arranged the dirt in various ways, to no apparent purpose. It reminds me of being a kid, using toy bulldozers to move dirt into interesting piles, but never actually <strong>building anything<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">I have to ask, how long can something be marked \u201cTemporary,\u201d before we have to conclude that it\u2019s actually \u201cPermanent\u201d?<\/p>\n<p><strong>UPDATE MAY 2015<\/strong>: The Terminator set has finally been removed, and it&#8217;s now immensely better &#8211; but not perfect. Here&#8217;s a video that shows the CVG from Costco to the Winston Street overpass, heading east, taken with my awesome <a id=\"amznPsBmLink_8191406\" class=\"amzn_ps_bm_tl\" href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/GoPro-CHDHA-301-HERO\/dp\/B00NIYNUXO\/ref=as_li_bk_tl\/?tag=avejoecyc0e-20&amp;linkId=8d9f1a4005768970656307f479924315&amp;linkCode=ktl\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" data-amzn-ps-bm-keyword=\"GoPro Hero camcorder\" data-amzn-link-id=\"8d9f1a4005768970656307f479924315\">GoPro Hero camcorder<\/a><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"lazyload\" id=\"amznPsBmPixel_8191406\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important; padding: 0px !important; height: 0px !important; width: 0px !important;\" src=\"data:image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP\/\/\/yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7\" data-src=\"https:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?source=bk&amp;t=avejoecyc0e-20&amp;bm-id=default&amp;l=ktl&amp;linkId=8d9f1a4005768970656307f479924315&amp;_cb=1431231690394\" alt=\"\" width=\"0\" height=\"0\" border=\"0\" \/><noscript><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"lazyload\" id=\"amznPsBmPixel_8191406\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important; padding: 0px !important; height: 0px !important; width: 0px !important;\" src=\"https:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?source=bk&amp;t=avejoecyc0e-20&amp;bm-id=default&amp;l=ktl&amp;linkId=8d9f1a4005768970656307f479924315&amp;_cb=1431231690394\" alt=\"\" width=\"0\" height=\"0\" border=\"0\" \/><\/noscript>:<\/p>\n<p><iframe class=\"lazyload\" title=\"Central Valley Greenway from Costco to the Winston St Overpass\" width=\"500\" height=\"375\" data-src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/mt0Gco9bcog?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/averagejoecyclist.com\/gopro-hero-review\/\"><strong>Related: Full Review of GoPro Hero camcorder\/helmet cam &#8211; a perfect, indestructible helmet cam for cyclists<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n<p>At Costco you are out of the \u201ctemporary\u201d construction zone and onto a broad sidewalk next to Stillcreek Avenue. That part\u2019s just fine for the whole family. Then on to the best bit of all \u2013 a short off-road section, including a really well built bridge, and some whimsical \u201cbike route art.\u201d<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">Does anyone know who I can thank for this lovely bit?<\/p>\n<p>After that there\u2019s a little bit of broad sidewalk along Gilmore, and then miles and miles of off-road, paved trail that runs under the Skytrain. I really like this part, being able to speed along without worrying about cars. The only drawback is that if you are travelling with kids, you need to make frequent stops to dismount and get across major roads, including Boundary, Rupert, Renfrew, Nanaimo, Victoria, Commercial, and Clark. Some of these have no lights and are pretty dicey. The one at Clark does have lights, which is a good thing, as it\u2019s pretty intense.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_1223\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1223\" style=\"width: 300px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/s\/?_encoding=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;field-keywords=bike%20lights&amp;linkCode=ur2&amp;tag=avejoecyc0e-20&amp;url=search-alias%3Daps&amp;linkId=X5K75655ZLSFJSUV\"><img decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"1223\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/averagejoecyclist.com\/problems-with-the-central-valley-greenway\/post-clarke\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-Clarke.jpg?fit=448%2C299&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"448,299\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;6.3&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;Canon EOS DIGITAL REBEL XS&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;1286720262&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;50&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;100&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0.002&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Clark Drive intersection on the Central Valley Greenway bike route, Vancouver, BC\" data-image-description=\"&lt;p&gt;Clark Drive intersection on the Central Valley Greenway bike route, Vancouver, BC&lt;\/p&gt;\n\" data-image-caption=\"&lt;p&gt;Crossing over Clark Drive on the Central Valley Greenway is quite a procedure with a family \u2013 but the view makes it worth it.&lt;\/p&gt;\n\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-Clarke.jpg?fit=300%2C200&amp;ssl=1\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-Clarke.jpg?fit=448%2C299&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"wp-image-1223 size-medium lazyload\" title=\"Clark Drive intersection on the Central Valley Greenway bike route, Vancouver, BC\" src=\"data:image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP\/\/\/yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7\" data-src=\"https:\/\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-Clarke-300x200.jpg\" alt=\"Central Valley Greenway\" width=\"300\" height=\"200\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-1223\" class=\"wp-caption-text\"><noscript><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"1223\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/averagejoecyclist.com\/problems-with-the-central-valley-greenway\/post-clarke\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-Clarke.jpg?fit=448%2C299&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"448,299\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;6.3&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;Canon EOS DIGITAL REBEL XS&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;1286720262&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;50&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;100&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0.002&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Clark Drive intersection on the Central Valley Greenway bike route, Vancouver, BC\" data-image-description=\"&lt;p&gt;Clark Drive intersection on the Central Valley Greenway bike route, Vancouver, BC&lt;\/p&gt;\n\" data-image-caption=\"&lt;p&gt;Crossing over Clark Drive on the Central Valley Greenway is quite a procedure with a family \u2013 but the view makes it worth it.&lt;\/p&gt;\n\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-Clarke.jpg?fit=300%2C200&amp;ssl=1\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-Clarke.jpg?fit=448%2C299&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"wp-image-1223 size-medium lazyload\" title=\"Clark Drive intersection on the Central Valley Greenway bike route, Vancouver, BC\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-Clarke.jpg?resize=300%2C200&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"Central Valley Greenway\" width=\"300\" height=\"200\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-Clarke.jpg?resize=300%2C200&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-Clarke.jpg?w=448&amp;ssl=1 448w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/noscript><\/a> Crossing over Clark Drive on the Central Valley Greenway is quite a procedure with a family \u2013 but the view makes it worth it.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Then you\u2019re off down a broad sidewalk next to Great Northern Way. The first bit is quite intimidatingly steep.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_1224\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1224\" style=\"width: 300px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/s\/?_encoding=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;field-keywords=bike%20lights&amp;linkCode=ur2&amp;tag=avejoecyc0e-20&amp;url=search-alias%3Daps&amp;linkId=X5K75655ZLSFJSUV\"><img decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"1224\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/averagejoecyclist.com\/problems-with-the-central-valley-greenway\/post-steep\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-steep.jpg?fit=448%2C299&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"448,299\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;6.3&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;Canon EOS DIGITAL REBEL XS&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;1286720325&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;50&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;160&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0.002&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Steep bit of the Central Valley Greenway, Vancouver, BC\" data-image-description=\"&lt;p&gt;Steep bit of the Central Valley Greenway, Vancouver, BC&lt;\/p&gt;\n\" data-image-caption=\"&lt;p&gt;A really steep part provides challenges for younger cyclists \u2013 and coming back up, challenges for most cyclists!&lt;\/p&gt;\n\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-steep.jpg?fit=300%2C200&amp;ssl=1\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-steep.jpg?fit=448%2C299&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"  wp-image-1224 size-medium lazyload\" title=\"Steep bit of the Central Valley Greenway, Vancouver, BC\" src=\"data:image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP\/\/\/yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7\" data-src=\"https:\/\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-steep-300x200.jpg\" alt=\"Central Valley Greenway\" width=\"300\" height=\"200\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-1224\" class=\"wp-caption-text\"><noscript><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"1224\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/averagejoecyclist.com\/problems-with-the-central-valley-greenway\/post-steep\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-steep.jpg?fit=448%2C299&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"448,299\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;6.3&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;Canon EOS DIGITAL REBEL XS&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;1286720325&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;50&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;160&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0.002&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Steep bit of the Central Valley Greenway, Vancouver, BC\" data-image-description=\"&lt;p&gt;Steep bit of the Central Valley Greenway, Vancouver, BC&lt;\/p&gt;\n\" data-image-caption=\"&lt;p&gt;A really steep part provides challenges for younger cyclists \u2013 and coming back up, challenges for most cyclists!&lt;\/p&gt;\n\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-steep.jpg?fit=300%2C200&amp;ssl=1\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-steep.jpg?fit=448%2C299&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"  wp-image-1224 size-medium lazyload\" title=\"Steep bit of the Central Valley Greenway, Vancouver, BC\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-steep.jpg?resize=300%2C200&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"Central Valley Greenway\" width=\"300\" height=\"200\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-steep.jpg?resize=300%2C200&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/averagejoecyclist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/Post-steep.jpg?w=448&amp;ssl=1 448w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/noscript><\/a> A really steep part down, next to Great Northern Way, provides challenges for younger cyclists \u2013 and coming back up, it provides challenges for MOST cyclists! It also is yet another part that gives the lie to the claim that the CVG is mainly multi-user: I am sure no wheelchair user would ever venture up OR down this hill<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>This part is more-or-less fine, except that there are several driveways into businesses, so there is a constant danger from cars going in and out. I have more than once come close to being hit by cars attempting to speed into one of these driveways. Perhaps it would help to have\u00a0some signs to remind motorists that cyclists exist\u00a0\u2013 or am I just a hopeless optimist?<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">UPDATE: Rob Syvertsen points out that it is probably safer to ride in the street than on the sidewalk here, despite the fact that the route is marked as being on the sidewalk. As he explains <a href=\"http:\/\/robsyvertsen.org\/2010\/10\/13\/central-valley-greenway\/\" target=\"_blank\">here<\/a>, motorists <strong>expect<\/strong> fast-moving vehicles on the road, but not on the sidewalk. <em>Lesson learned for me:<\/em> trust your own gut, not the directions of well-intentioned but perhaps misguided route planners.<\/p>\n<p>Then there\u2019s a bit on-road on East First Avenue, but this part is always quiet. Then you cross over a really well constructed intersection with Main Street, and finally get onto a more-or-less separated bit on Terminal (which will be just fine when it\u2019s completely separated). Then, of course, you have made it all the way to Science World.<\/p>\n<h3>Safe Cycling for Everyone?<\/h3>\n<p>By the time we got to Science World, my nerves were shot. I find this route very pleasant on my own, but with two kids in tow, it was exhausting due to the many difficult road crossings and the dangerous\/unpleasant bits. I put up no protest when they said they were tired and wanted to go home by skytrain!<\/p>\n<p>Bottom line: the Central Valley Greenway from Burnaby is very close to being a great bike route that would make cycling safe for everyone \u2013 but it\u2019s not quite there yet.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>UPDATE: Please see the very encouraging response to this critique, from <a href=\"..\/?p=1522\" target=\"_blank\">Translink\u2019s Planning Department<\/a>.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>UPDATE 2: It&#8217;s now almost 2 YEARS since I wrote this post, and the &#8220;temporary&#8221; \u00a0part of the CVG that goes past the Burnaby Recycling Depot is STILL just as AWFUL as ever \u2013\u00a0despite Translink&#8217;s plans and promises. In fact, it&#8217;s getting worse, with huge puddles that can literally drench a full grown rider. It&#8217;s time to call a spade a spade, and just put up a sign saying &#8220;PERMANENT ridiculously terrible part of the Central Valley Greenway \u2013\u00a0proceed at your own risk&#8221; &#8230;<\/strong><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<h2 style=\"text-align: center;\">Read about <a href=\"https:\/\/averagejoecyclist.com\/category\/cycling-reviews\/average-joe-cyclist-bike-trail-reviews\/\" target=\"_blank\">many more bike trails here<\/a>.<\/h2>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The Central Valley Greenway runs from the New Westminster Quay, via Burnaby, to Science World in Vancouver \u2013 a total distance of 24 km. It is marvelously ambitious; hinting at a wonderful future when commuting by bike could be easy and safe for a wide range of cyclists \u2013 from kids to seniors, and everyone in between. 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